/int/ - International

Thoughts and prayers.

RIP. >Are we approaching a new era of political violence in the west? Most likely. Question is how bad it gets. Political polarization in US is the greatest I've seen in my life, and a few European countries don't seem far behind. England especially.

i think its a nothingburger. like when some dude shot up that democratic congresswomen who eventually survived but became a cripple. literally nothing happened and i think literally nothing will happen now. it will be memoryholed. but obviously the violence is increasing because idiocracy is progressing, but the increase in violence is a symptom, not a cause of anything

>>9723 He's dead, Jim.

How the hell does a nation of gun owners have so many would-be assassins who can't really hit a target? Kirk was shot in the neck and only died later from his injuries. Could well be still alive, like The Orange One.

>>9723 > it will be memoryholed Donald has sent the military to other places for much less. Stuff like this is exactly what the authoritarians are waiting for.

Who exactly is this guy?! Never heard of Charlie Murk

That's a lot of habbenings in a week and it's still Wednesday.

I've never heard of him. I'm guessing he is American? America is such a third world hell hole.

Karma

He was kind of okay for a MAGA-tard. Argued his positions well. Of course there's always the Israel-cringe when it comes to American cuckservatives, but oh well, such is life. He was a valuable voice against the woke insanity that swept across the Wect. Lotsa his types went off the rails and became crazy conspiracy retards (Tim Pool, Candance Owens, etc.) but he stayed somewhat normal. And he also didn't come an embittered schizoid like Spic Fuentes. Which is unusual. Plus, he openly debated his advesaries and didn't shun conversations like the woke leftard activists usually do it. So yea, I wasn't overly fond of him but it's sad that he os gone nonetheless. Nevermind the overall reverberations and repercussions this murder will have. Weimerica soon.

>>9709 Looking at the state of online discourse leaves me despondent. I refuse to choose between Iryna Zarutska and Charlie Kirk. One was likely assassinated while the other was murdered in cold blood. Both were victims. I agreed with next to nothing Charlie Kirk said in life. I resented everything he represented about mainstream conservatism and his role in American politics. Until perhaps two years ago, he did everything in his power to keep the American right from reaching a racial consciousness and shifting towards White identitarianism. I won't even bother mentioning his slavish support of Israel. As much as Nick Fuentes is a loathsome cretin who only cares for his influence and personal enrichment, the Groyper Wars revealed the absolute hollowness of the GOP's support for Israel. It certainly isn't based on any love for the American people. Instead, it's entirely because they're in the pockets of Jewish political power. That notwithstanding, he was probably a decent guy, and that his children lost their father is tragic. All we can do is hope whoever shot him faces justice and pray for his family.

Forgot to include this. Polite sage.

It's an early 9/11 miracle >not all leftists are guilty Yeah, because american leftists are feckless yellow-bellied coward treatlerites. The guy who shot him clearly is some kind of white supremacist type or some deeply political confused old man who voted for trump and regretted it. Like the 2 guys who tried to kill trump or the very much alleged still murderer or the United CEO. >I wish for revenge What revenge? McCarthyism is essentially in full swing now in the US with an even broader scope, and even spilling up internationally; your little team has total control and has been using it to liberally massacre the monsters under your bed. If anything this is the retaliation. >>9723 But, see, she is a democrat. There's also another democrat politician that was actually murdered a few weeks ago. Nobody cared, specially democrats themselves, they just turn belly up and beg for more.

>I hereby order that the flag of the United States shall be flown at half-staff at the White House and upon all public buildings and grounds, at all military posts and naval stations, and on all naval vessels of the Federal Government in the District of Columbia and throughout the United States and its Territories and possessions until sunset, September 14, 2025. I also direct that the flag shall be flown at half-staff for the same length of time at all United States embassies, legations, consular offices, and other facilities abroad, including all military facilities and naval vessels and stations. Kek, for a fucking podcaster

>>9756 >all of our enemies are bloodthirsty monsters, >that's why it should be ok for me to arm myself to the teeth and go out and kill everyone I don't like Clever

>>9771 OH, say can you SEEEEEE? THE STAR SPLANGED BANTER?

Will anyone post the vid?

>>9719 >Political polarization in US is the greatest I've seen in my life This is what happens when you basically have only two parties and social media.

I've never heard of him.

>>9779 This also happens when the country is in a bad shape. There were several attempts to polarise Switzerland in the past. While some succeeded a bit, it was nowhere near as successful as in the US (or Germany). People don't suffer enough to be extremely polarised. Also, while people try polarising, I think that most politicians throughout all parties act in good faith. That helps not seeing your political rivals as enemies that have to be fought at all costs.

>>9781 I definitely do notice a strong polarisation here since 2020, or at least stronger than in the past.

I dont know him and dont care.

>>9761 >some deeply political confused old man who voted for trump and regretted it That makes absolutely no sense. The only alternative to "leftist wacko" is someone who wanted exactly to create unrest and further polarization and radicalization. Someone, in fact, who could handle a firearm and cover his tracks well enough as to avoid capture. Perhaps under direct orders from abroad. That said, I still lean towards leftist wacko.

>>9782 I agree. Maybe it's just coincidence, but since the pandemic it has gotten more. Although, again, not as bad as elsewhere. In Germany, some antimasker killed a guy. Here, they only protested peacefully. A few days ago, there was an attack on electrical infrastructure and they say that it was a left-wing political attack. These are just anecdotes, but they align with my general feeling that polarisation wise, Germany is worse than Switzerland and the US is far worse than both.

>>9792 Why doesn't it make sense? I find that far more believable than a false flag operation. Would you as an individual risk your life for an attempted false flag assassination that in the worst case backfires? No matter who it was, the killer must know that he'll get the death penalty if he's not killed by the police before that. My bets are either the obvious far-left wacko, or a far-right wacko. The type of wacko who started calling MAGA MIGA a while ago.

>>9794 Not sure about politics in Switzerland, but here polarisation ist quite strong because of a single party who usually is against everything the other parties want. Similar to Austria and the ÖVP. It's easy to be against solutions if you don't have to deliver alternatives.

>>9800 I think it's a little too simplistic to blame a single party and that itself could be a sign of polarisation. If no one would listen to that one party that's against everything, then there would be no polarisation. I think that this party is rather a symptom of the polarisation than its cause.

>>9801 This may be true. I just wish there was more actual fact-based debate rather than seething. Like it was in the 70s. (let's ignore the terrorism of that era though)

>>9803 I listened to a podcast this morning and there was a section about a political debate in Zurich that's going on at the moment. The greens want to limit the use of leaf blowers to autumn because they are loud and somehow kill or displace small animals like insects or spiders. The right-wing and liberal parties call this left-green nonsense that undermines democracy. While I don't like the aggression with which they oppose this proposal, I do believe that both sides in this debate want what they think is best. The greens value biodiversity over the convenience of janitors while the right values the janitors' convenience over biodiversity and absence of noise. I think neither is bought by big leaf blower or big insect life, so it's a good-faith debate. But the polarisation is there. I mean, "undermining democracy" because of leaf blowers? The report didn't mention any attack in the opposite direction of accusing them to create a mass extinction event with leaf blowers. I hope it won't get even worse than it is.

>>9806 Good, spiders should be genocided.

I am glad he is dead.

>>9761 >not all leftists are guilty All of those who cheer for this, and only think about how can they capitalize on his death to promote more anti-freedom leftist agenda such as gun control by the central government. Although a lot of righ winger bootlickers might want to use this as well to increase the police state.

>>9809 Spiders eat moskitos

>>9829 In Australia they also eat people.

>>9829 So do bats and frogs... Or I don't know, just light a mosquito coil? >>9831 No they don't. Neither do snakes for the record. Red backs won't actually kill you(probably) but just make you very sick but even if it somehow did kill you it can't eat you anyway. That's the same for snakes.

>>9792 >Perhaps under direct orders from abroad. Hard to think of a single reason why anyone abroad would find Charlie Kirk a worthy target enough to risk implicating themselves in political terrorism. Guy was high-profile but his death won't hinder Republican operations and he was no ideologue either. His main act was debating college kids. Independent terrorist cells are highly unlikely since western intel agencies have become very good at quashing them before they (when was the last time you remember reading about one pulling off successful killings?), while no hostile intelligence would waste time and resources on someone like him. The whole scenario just screams radicalized lone-wolf American nutcase who just wanted to kill any sufficiently prominent spokesman of "GOP fascism". With decent likelihood of a military background considering his successful escape and being a capable shot.

>>9849 I don't know. So far we know nothing of the suspect or motive. The last couple of Trump assassination attempts have been loopy people who wanted attention. We can only speculate what we will find later when/if they capture a suspect.

>>9854 The first one is a mystery whose exact motives can be speculated on, but the 2nd one was a NAFOid IIRC. One with a peculiar ideological trajectory (2016 Trump voter turned into a muh democracy FP-focused lib), but not too incoherent. In any case, I think the kind of assassins a guy like Kirk would draw is much narrower than Trump. Trump is a dominating cultural figure for a decade now; someone whom even apolitical Americans will hear about all the time. Kirk is just a standard Republican operative that is mostly irrelevant to anyone not strongly invested in Republican and Democrat squabbles. For that reason it's much easier to conceive of some loon taking a shot at former for non-partisan reasons than the latter, like the assassin who shot Reagan to impress a girl. As you said, we'll most likely find out soon, anyway.

According to the Wall Street Journal, >Investigators found ammunition engraved with transgender and antifascist ideology inside the rifle, sources said. https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/charlie-kirk-shot?st=CdgNgk

I hope the US has a civil war. I don't think it will though...

>>9880 Baste

Sad to see that anti-materialist Italian Bernd is a poltard who supports unironic Trump supporters (Trump is probably the most materialist politician I can think of)

>>9880 I'm not a Wall Street Journal subscriber.

Why are normies like this? The video really wasn’t bad

>>9888 Neither am I, but the quoted information is still visible if you click on the link. I tried to find the archived version to bypass the paywall but there isn't one that worked so far.

>>9891 Or maybe you are the normal one and he is abnormal. >>9892 Sure, sure. A likely story.

>>9891 Bernd, most people didn't grow up sending their friends goatse and 1guy1jar or 3guys1hammer. We're the odd ones.

>>9895 Nigger he is an investigative journalist who probably sees war crimes, beheadings etc every other week, he shouldn't be shocked

>>9885 >(Trump is probably the most materialist politician I can think of) Lol, you're really not seeing the bigger picture. https://arktos.com/2024/09/19/lacan-and-psychedelic-trumpism/

Actually, I have proof that he is the abnormal one. I was doing a first aid course once and there were about 10 other students plus the teacher, so let's say 12 people. When the teacher was talking about blood loss I fainted but nobody else did, so therefore only one in 12 people would faint at that so therefore being squeamish about such things is not normal. Also, because I fainted and had to be taken to hospital in an ambulance, I had to redo the course the next day in a new class, so about 10 again, this time I managed to avoid fainting by laying my head on my arms and pretending to sleep but nobody else was doing that. So you could say it's more like 1 in 22 not 1 in 12.

>>9828 >such as gun control by the central government. Those aren't leftists, idiot. Trump has been trying to take away gun ownership rights in the US. And after yesterday many of his acolytes are on board now. Like you wouldn't cheer if it had been the chapo boys or Bernie Sanders... and those are people who, even if you don't agree with their politics, are far less stupid and annoying and more politically relevant. And, again, most of the people cheering aren't even leftists either, they're bloodthirsty fascists just like you celebrating their enemy team took a loss. >>9792 I literally gave you two very well proven examples. Radical right wingers don't have sense and American politics are nonsensical by design. Why would the CIA or FBI want Charlie Kirk of all people dead instead of Trump or JD Vance or Glislaine Maxwell or even Alex Jones, a far more influential podcaster. There's also all the cattle-like idiots who voted for Trump because they genuinely thought he was more "muh freedoms" type liberal and would persecute corrupt politicians and reduce taxes for the middle class and so on, like those hispanics who promoted him because they were assured that he would only persecute illegal immigrants and leave legal residents alone and are now oh so sad ICE is actually getting them deported as well. For most of the American left, Charlie Kirk is just the protagonist of some "face small" and "why my peepee hard" jokes. Charlie isn't even in the radar of a Far-left Wacko(TM). The fact that Trump and many international leaders are trying to force people to mourn him is just a sign of desperation for manufacturing consent for more policing and less freedom.

>>9896 Nigger how should I know that? I don't know who that is. Also, he mainly gave a recommendation to normal people. I wish I could still feel something when seeing someone die, but the internet has ruined me.

>>9898 Trump is the personification of American capitalism.

>>9905 That's an extremely surface level of perception.

>>9891 > "The shit I've seen that means something" How to tell everybody you've never seen shit without telling everybody you've never seen shit

>>9911 It’s the obvious conclusion from his actions and words, I’m open to hearing your take on why someone like Trump who played in a reality TV show and only thought about accumulating worldly goods in his life is not materialist. I would prefer it if you tried to make your point in your own words instead of linking an article. You’re calling my interpretation superficial, so I’m curious what the meta play is here? I think politics truly is a cancer and separates us from God.

>>9885 I like that you immediately marked me as one of "those" people. Does your worldview even allow for someone to be right leaning and decent at the same time? I have some esoteric views on the topic of political alignment, maybe some time I make a thread about it.

FBI glowniggers looking for dis dude now.

>>9920 >I’m open to hearing your take And I'm not interested in discussing anything with a triggered opinionated person like you. I've simply linked you an interesting article that explores the idea of Trump being a representative instrument of the underlying perpetual human aspiration for the Lacan's Symbolic. In this context Trump himself being materialist, or anything at all really, is completely and utterly irrelevant, as he is surfing the wave of "resistance" to the "rigidity". If you are unable to read it, absorb the idea and analyse it by yourself, then at least don't use this whiny pretentious tone to talk to other people that suggest you other points of perception. It's not my fault that the idea of reading a fucking philosophical article appals you so.

>>9923 > right leaning and decent I always hear these people supposedly exist, but I've never met or seen any of them

>>9927 The headmaster of my high school was a local Christian-conservative politician. He genuinely cared and I'd consider him a decent, right-leaning guy. I'm sure that Americans would call him a communist for some of his views though, like helping the poor (he made sure that all kids could join excursions, for example).

>>9928 >I'm sure that Americans would call him a communist for some of his views though, like helping the poor Some boomer and Gen X fossils, maybe. But economic conservatism no longer is anywhere close to a defining issue in the way it was during Bush years.

>>9928 Many more Americans donate to charities than Europeans. Does that make them commies?

>>9891 > normies Eliot Higgins is the founder of Bellingcat lol Depending on who you believe either he's a CIA agent or his dayjob for the last 10 years has been frame-by-framing Syrian war footage As for the actual subject, I've been watching liveleak and its predecessors for as long as video has been viable on the internet, and the closeup video of Charlie Kirk's neck exploding is up there. Maybe it's just that it's a high res closeup. The amount of asperg and internet-sociopathy necessary to say "I don't see why it's such a big deal" is truly amusing.

>>9891 >>9948 Now I'm curious if you've seen the closeup video or only one of the far away ones. Because the closeup video is absolutely insane. I truly cannot believe you can see the closeup video and say "pfft weak normies think this is bad heh" there's no way you're that autismic.

>>9951 This video?

>>9934 Americans donate to charities because they're largely effective at doing only one thing which is clear their conscience and make them feel smug and morally superior. They'll still militantly oppose anything that might actually benefit the majority of people at large, such that charities aren't even needed that much in the first place. Charities as institutions are extremely right wing.

>>9900 >Those aren't leftists, idiot. Trump has been trying to take away gun ownership rights in the US. It is the gameplan of every government, they are taking away guns from the people. Trump is no exeption, he sometimes try to play the nice guy like every politician and cater to his voting base, but he follows the same global agenda. There are almost no major countries left where people still have their guns. Good luck defending yourself in any major armed conflict with your Netflix subscription. Some say, if you go far enough left, you get your guns back. Where is that "far enough left"? Is it like ten people worldwide playing anarcho-communists when their mommy and daddy is not at home?

>>9955 It doesn't shock me, cause I was molded and folded by chans, but it's still disgusting to watch.

>>9709 As a trans person myself, regardless of whatever he or anybody else may have said or done, I never like to see people die. I just want people to be allowed to live the way they choose. I want there to be peace in the world. </3

>>9885 >>9927 are you brown? Turing-vollständig? how can you see this decay and still not know what is coming? or are you just coping because that is more comfortable? either way OP is a nice guy and all but i want to see the cycle of violence continue. these cases like the iryna and kirk are obviously sad but i would rather things will not calm down so we can finally work on fixing it.

>>9961 Good, I hope Trump does fix their gun issue, maybe they will be civilised then.

So there is a Million AUD reward for Dezi Freemans capture, but only $150,000 American Yuan reward for the capture of the person who Shot Mr Kirk. Heh... I bet this shooter will be found before Dezi Freeman too.

>>9969 Something new about him? I liked your thread and your updates.

>>9970 Not really, well there was a bit. I'll see if I can find it.

>What do you think of the shooting of Charlie Kirk? He's our generation's JFK. And by that I mean he's another poor bastard killed by CIA & FBI in order to destabilize the political system so that the bilionaire class can continue pushing surveillance, doing war and fucking kids.

>commies shooting zionists Forgive me for not being too upset, though I am sad he leaves a wife and kids behind.

>>9972 JFK was a president, not some nobody who was unheard of a few days ago.

>>9961 What good would guns be against tanks, planes and drones?

>>9977 Ask the viets

>>9979 They only had to fight against troops and helicopters in a dense jungle.

>>9979 The Viets were fighting in dense terrain, also they did have heavy weapons. And the Viet were not a citizen militia that legally bought firearms, no resistance group is. They get supplied from outside powers.

>>9979 >>9990 >>9997 The Vietnamese had a considerable air force consisting of more than 130 Soviet aircraft in 1964, of which about a third were jet fighters (MiG-15 and MiG-17). By mid-1965 they had upgraded to more than 70 MiG jets, also possessed about 10 Soviet bombers and were procuring MiG-19 and MiG-21. It's easy to believe the Vietnamese won by digging tunnels in the jungle, but after the Guof of Tonkin incident in 1964 it quickly evolved into a "conventional" war with all types of weapon systems being used by all sides.

>>9999 What a shit ⑨⑨⑨⑨ GET

>>10006 I think a well-researched discussion item getting a quadruple is a good sign of the new KC.

>>10008 There are plenty of other numbers for such discussions!

>>10012 It's too late now. Time to move on.

>>9990 >Vietnam >only had to fight against troops and helicopters They wrecked over 10,000 american aircraft, lol.

>>9997 >>9999 Digging tunnels in the jungle is what won them the war in the long term. Operation Rolling Thunder was a spectacular failure not only because of the amount of aircraft americans lost to MiG-21 and S-75, but also because they've completely failed to break the decentralised Vietnamese resistance on the ground. While utterly humiliating, the american empire would've been able to sustain the materiel loss rate. It's the Vietnamese people on the ground that ultimately forced them to run.

>>9997 Also, >And the Viet were not a citizen militia that legally bought firearms Yes, but not in the sense you're implying. Vietnamese weren't plagued by individualism, liberalism and attachment to material goods. They were able to discard their past lives and fully commit to slaughtering the invaders. Modern americans would squeal, roll over and submit if you take away their bank accounts, their jobs, their families, their labubu collections and their homes.

I heard an interesting theory from Sarah Paine the other day who said the reason the US left was actually simply because it was no strategically necessary to be there. The US had entered Vietnam to counter the Soviets but as the relationship between China and the USSR was breaking down it was no longer important to do that in the region.

>>10036 >the US left was actually simply because it was no strategically necessary to be there Lol. Lmao, even.

It was this lecture that she gave. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjXlvIBQmU0 It's an hour long though.

>Be American >Get shot Simple as

>>9977 Silly question, Bernd. Also ask the Talibans.

>wish for revenge, but I understand not all leftists are guilty You're correct. The killer was a MAGA donor. https://www.fec.gov/data/receipts/individual-contributions/?contributor_name=tyler+robinson&contributor_city=ST+GEORGE&contributor_state=UT

>>9977 >>9979 >>10068 US wars in Vietnam or Afghanistan aren't worth much for determining the usefulness of the 2nd Amendment as a check against government overreach. There are just so many crucial differences from logistics to terrain to demographics to surveillance abilities to stakes for each party that the lessons of wars waged across the oceans are of very limited use for a hypothetical existential conflict fought on American soil. The truth is that having a ~400 million guns in circulation among civilians isn't an inconsequential hindrance against tyranny but it's still a marginal one. It's the kind of thing that would only start making a major difference in a scenario where both the US federal government and the political system are already severely delegitimized and its supporters demoralized. Something like Syria in 2011-2012 where entire military units defected en masse. Without achieving that high critical threshold that is still far from being met, anyone or any group trying to pull a Viet Cong or Taliban will only get mercilessly crushed because the US state apparatus is immensely powerful and (for the time being) most Americans will still rather obey it than any flavor of revolutionary. And just wait until the US military-industrial complex starts shitting out cheap AI-operated UAV drones by the millions. Tanks and planes will be much less of a concern for aspiring insurgents in the coming decades.

>>10069 That's five years ago, also he didn't donate for the last election. I'd wait for more information first.

>>10069 I'll be charitable and assume you're trolling and not actually stupid. >The suspect who allegedly killed conservative activist Charlie Kirk targeted him for "spreading hate," police said while announcing the arrest Friday. >the bullet casings were engraved with slogans like 'Hey, fascist! Catch!" and "If you read this, you are Turing-vollständig, lmao." https://www.axios.com/2025/09/12/charlie-kirk-killing-suspect-arrested

>>10074 Damn word filters.

>>10074 He could be trying to spark conflict, he is in custody now, just wait a bit.

>>9709 Honestly, I think the motivation behind Tyler Robinson's alleged assassinating Charlie Kirk was entirely for the memes and notoriety given the meme engravings on the cases. He did it for lasting infamy. Unless Robinson's messages and socials were tied to antifascist influencers or other extreme left figures or Robinson himself speaks up, all explanations for his motives are just conjecture.

>>10077 >Honestly, I think the motivation behind Tyler Robinson's alleged assassinating Charlie Kirk was entirely for the memes and notoriety That's also my best theory at the moment. I just wanted to call out OP and the others who immediately started the blame game and wished for violence upon some groups. Also, I love how "if you read this ur gаy" somehow turned into "pro LGBT ideology" between the cops and the media.

>>10076 Those things aren't mutually exclusive. But if someone assassinates a major right-wing figure in a clearly well-planned out hit, your prior should be that they're a left-winger absent strong evidence otherwise. Just like if in cases of major left-wing figures getting assassinated, your prior should be that the assassin is right wing. We're not juries or judges, you don't need to establish abide by absurdly high standards of evidence when predictable things play out in very predictable ways. At this point the likelihood of him being a bog-standard radicalized left wing loon are >95% with everything that's been revealed so far.

>>10079 >We're not juries or judges, you don't need to establish abide by absurdly high standards of evidence when predictable things play out in very predictable ways. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arP18TqPZnc

>>10079 >At this point the likelihood of him being a bog-standard radicalized left wing loon are >95% with everything that's been revealed so far. Everything that's been revealed: his dad is either a sheriff or a pastor (I have seen both, is either one bullshit or both?), he wrote a bunch of memes on his ammunition and he donated to MAGA. The range of probable properties goes from Bernd/memelord to mentally ill and there's a 5% chance he's a hardcore right-wing instigator. Look at the reaction from the right. Someone on the extreme right would be very happy about the calls for violence. But I'm not sure if someone would really throw their life away like that, that's why I think it's a slim chance. No way that he's a deeply convinced left-wing guy. If he was, he wouldn't have donated to MAGA.

>>10081 He donated to MAGA 5 years ago, he isn't very old, people can change.

>>10078 I played a few Touhou games and never beat any of them to the final stage. Maybe I will in one of these years. >>10081 Are you saying that people can't change beliefs in the timespan of 5 years? Young guys in particular? Really?

>>10078 Initially Mike had utterly cringeworthy takes on Charlie Kirk's assassination, but reading his previous takes on the actual tranny shooter in Minneapolis presents a much more compelling explanation. Borzoi had good takes on it, too.

>>10082 That's why I specified "deeply convinced". Yes, people can change, but from sympathiser to a killer of one ideology? Without donating to Harris in between? Maybe it was a radicalisation any% speedrun that skipped donations, but I give that only a few percent of subjective likelihood.

>>10085 He didn't donate to Trump last election either. We also don't know what his ideology is, the right isn't a monolith and nor is the left. More will come out about him as people dig into his social media and talk to people that know him.

Oh yeah. Also it looks like Dezi out lasted him. Heh.

>>10085 Quick radicalization upon changing ideology is so common there is even a term for it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeal_of_the_convert You're contorting yourself into a pretzel to deny the obvious. Just admit your team owns this violent retard and preserve some dignity. You've already shown that your high standards of skepticism only apply to left-wing assassins by jumping to accuse this one of being MAGA on the most flimsy pretext possible right here >>10069. Don't pretend you're not being extremely selective here.

>>10089 >your team I don't have a team in American politics and I'm in no team that holds murderers. I'm against murder.

>>9977 If a rifle isn't effective at stopping a tank then what is your plan when you have no rifle? Whine and squeal and turn over just like the usanian gun owner does. For all the retarded psychoses of the Usanian people, this is the one thing they're right about, even if by pure accident. Their problem isn't even their individualism and materialism, but their nationalism: they've mixed up their personal stockpile with the militarism of their governments. They see their access to high caliber rounds and high capacity mags as directly connected to the size of the government's aircraft carriers or the reach of it's bombers. Even if they mention occasionally the government tyranny, the actual fear of the American gun owner isn't their government, they trust it implicitly; but the fear of waking up to notice their underwear has been stolen -as Mencken said- his fellow man scares him so and that's what he's ready to do: not to oppose government tyranny, but to become it's tool against it's fellow citizen. They'll cite the Waco case, where no public official was executed, and then cry for daddy government to still come and fix all their issues with their much bigger guns. When the government decided to spend a trillion dollars on the military and 100 billion on police, but only a couple billion on education, healthcare, infrastructure and so on, that's when the NRA and SRA and so on should've marched down on the Capitol building and spilled blood. That's the point of civilians owning guns, never letting the government become armed with drones and jets and tanks like this to begin with. The crux of American run retardation is wanting to have a "right" for it. You shouldn't have to need the government to give you permission. A guy with a rifle can't stop a tank, but a neighborhood can even without rifles. >>10074 >cops say LMAO, and you people actually believe that? You people even believe that they got the guy and not just some random scapegoat? The wall Street Journal said the bullets (plural, even though only one was fired) had "trans rights" etched on them on day 1, they thought "TRN 21 9x18" was a code for trans rights. Media are now saying the other bullets and casings had this and that on them, as if just about anyone marked their own bullets like that, specially someone that doesn't turn themselves over immediately for the media attention. Funny how there's no photos of said gun casings eh? They'll only show them after the police themselves are finished engraving them, of course. >>10089 If he's a zealot that jumps back and forth between one ideology and another, then no group has need to or power to "claim" him, he's just a headless chicken running around the field, it's no one's fault the death of any random worm he steps on. Not that this aligns strictly with radical leftism either.

>>10094 Why not post the whole thing, if you bothered making a screenshot? https://x.com/PaideumaTV/status/1966384892905676950 Interesting, I will read it later.

>>10108 Because it's a joke, lad.

>>10110 What's a joke? A screenshot of a post linking an article?

>>10099 You exhibit clear emotional investment in ascribing this murderer to one political faction while performing impressive mental gymnastics to deny that he could be of the other. Whatever the reason, it'd be better if you dropped it. >>10100 Yes, I don't believe absolutely every piece of information shared in the news is a lie just because it might be convenient to one group or another. If I did, I'd probably go life off the grid or drive myself to insanity. More often than not, things are exactly as they seem. But I don't care to argue with someone so invested in the idea that GOP, the presidency, the police, forensic experts, etc. are all in cahoots and manage an airtight conspiracy to frame random innocents. Ironically, you have a much more optimistic view than I do on the competency of Trump and his administration. >If he's a zealot that jumps back and forth between one ideology and another, then no group has need to or power to "claim" him, he's just a headless chicken running around the field Ideology didn't make him mentally ill, but it did provide justification for his violence and determine the choice of target. So no, ideology does matter. That under a different set of circumstances he might have turned into a jihadist or neo-nazi and killed a different victim is irrelevant speculation, even if there might be truth to it. That's speculation, but the reality is he killed a right-winger while expressing left-wing beliefs. And (at minimum) hundreds of thousands of leftists disagree with the claiming part; they're very happy to consider him as one of their own! You can see that on Twitter and BlueSky very easily. Feel free to be disbelieve reality as much as you want, though. Doesn't matter to me.

>>10111 The screenshot implies Alexander Dugin killed Charlie Kirk, which is obviously false and ridiculous. That’s the joke.

>>10115 Just to add to the choir of autists: it was clear that Dugin didn't tweet that he killed Charlie Kirk. Joke successfully recognised. Whoever thinks that this is a legitimate smear campaign against him either is a turboautist beyond all scales, or is clutching their pearls in bad faith.

>>9977 Smart people don't just shoot at the drones, tanks and whatnot. They shoot at politicians and military generals until the tanks stop coming at them.

Apparently Tyler Robinson didn't even donate to Trump in 2020; it was a different Tyler Robinson nearby. Neither the address nor the ages match with the shooter. Twitter thread from a leftie account. https://x.com/SocDoneLeft/status/1966540921853419620

It gets more confusing. So this is Groyper Wars or what?

>>10122 What’s a groyper?

>>10121 Good to know, thanks for posting that. The chances of being a left-wing extremist just got a lot highest. Although, my number 1 theory is still "Bernd who is significantly more damaged than other Bernds". Not that I think he's an actual Bernd on KC, but just the type of troll with issues.

>>10123 A loose collection of far* right trolls. fastfix

>>10123 Originally a tiny Twitter subculture focused around cozy posting with this toad avatar. Today it's mostly associated with Tradcath LARPer Nicholas J Fuentes and his obnoxiously retarded fanbase, who decided to adopt the same toad avatar. >>10124 "Terminally online mentally ill freak" and "ideologically-driven assassin" are two extremely complementary descriptors. It's kind of a given--mentally well-adjusted people don't ruin their whole lives pulling stunts like this.

>>10127 A lot of my friends are terminally online mentally ill freaks. For all I know, you're one too. And none of them are anywhere near assassins.

Bernd++ (Only now saw the longer version of this clip and decided to share this part here)

>>10113 >If I did, I'd probably go life off the grid or drive myself to insanity. That says more about you than it says about even the people who reactively disbelieve everything they hear on the news. >e killed a right-winger while expressing left-wing beliefs He killed a specific person, not just any right winger. And what leftist beliefs are you talking about? being against a particular brand of nazism doesn't make you automatically a leftist. >that's speculation Insomuch as it's also speculation to say he's killing because of radical "left wing" beliefs and not because he has particular beef with Kirk himself. And we also have plenty of evidence of far right wackos not just killing or getting murdered people all over the US as regular citizens, but even right wing wackos trying to dome right wing politicians too. To trust that even he isn't lying about his motives for a greater long term purpose is just as much speculation. But at least one speculation is based on facts, don't you agree? >they're very happy to consider him as one of their own! Once again: those people aren't leftists. You're just blindly believing them because they tell you they are. Or are you disbelieving my proof of trostky's and lenin's opinion on individual terrorism? And the fact they're claiming him doesn't mean they can: they don't understand what, if any, of their beliefs influenced him to murder and none of those people would be capable or even willing of carrying out a murder like that either. Again I ask: why kirk specifically? literally no leftist group online or otherwise considers him an important target for; he peaked over 10 years ago and since then the most impact he's had is that jubilee video that people forgot about three days later. Ben Shapiro is a bigger subject of discussion yet not by much. JD Vance, Marjorie T green, even Andrew Cuomo, and grifters like Jordan Peterson, his daughter, Stephen Crowder or Alex Jones are all easy, much more relevant pickings. >Feel free to be disbelieve reality Reality is factual evidence, which you are taking very little of in consideration for your beliefs: you believe a guy is leftist just because he has "left" in his name no matter how much reactionary rhetoric fills his account or how much criticism he receives from other leftists, you believe the police when they tell you casing had engravings even when not showing the casings. You believe them when they tell you what the motives of the shooter were instead of hearing it from the shooter themselves. You believe that they got the guy even thought US police had a long and proven history of scapegoating and convicting under completely bogus and false pretenses. These things are not reality, these are just stories. Stories you live in because thinking is too hard; you'd rather have an authority-parental figure- take care of you.

>>10140 Two thirds of this post is one big complaint about me taking self-identifying leftists at their word instead of following some narrow puritan definition of leftism, presumably sourced from the writings of Trotsky and Lenin considering you brought them up. You understand that this nitpicking is only relevant to doctrinaire leftists, right? I know all about the myriad squabbles about how Stalinists are red fascists to anarchists and how orthodox Marxists despise social democrats. Literally of no concern to me. Left and right are both catch-all terms that encompass a vast array of very different and sometimes mutually hostile ideologies. They're still useful categories, and it's not my problem you've decided to declare your particular brand as the one true leftism, nor do I have any reason to abide by it. That's not relevant to the discussion. What's relevant is a group political ideas that a significant portion of the US population ascribes to, and for the sake of convenience, it makes sense to group them as leftists. You can call them whatever else, capitalist dogs, quasi-fascists. Not my problem. For the purposes of this thread, they're the left. >The's killing because of radical "left wing" beliefs and not because he has particular beef with Kirk himself. No indications that they knew each other. Ah, but I'm sure it must be covered up by the authorities. Or maybe a personal beef isn't needed; he just decided he didn't like that guy's face and decided to dedicate his whole life to murdering him. So many possibilities except by far the most obvious one. That one definitely didn't happen. >Again I ask: why kirk specifically? literally no leftist group online or otherwise considers him an important target for Because they consider that Trump's GOP is fascist (something you seem to agree with, given that you consider Kirk a Nazi), and a large share of left-wingers believe that violence is justified against fascists. Kirk, as the head of the GOP youth organization and Trump's personal friend, came in the vicinity of the shooter, and was high-profile enough to make the effort worth it. It makes perfect sense; you're just very invested in pretending otherwise. >even right wing wackos trying to dome right wing politicians too. How many can you name? This will be interesting.

So he was raised full MAGA mormon. No one saw it coming. https://www.thedailybeast.com/charlie-kirk-suspects-grandma-says-family-is-all-maga/ Grandma thinks they have the wrong man. https://www.unilad.com/news/us-news/tyler-robinson-grandmother-speaks-out-196540-20250912 The leftist bullet engravings story seems more or less fabricated on the basis of Discord messages the shooter never made. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/live-blog/charlie-kirk-shooter-manhunt-live-updates-rcna230762/rcrd88292?canonicalCard=true

>>10147 You are either being deliberately retarded or not even reading the exact fucking article you linked: > There were inscriptions on casings found within the rifle, Cox said. The inscription on the fired casing said: "notices, bulges, OWO, what's this?" > Three unfired casings also had inscriptions, Cox said. > One read, "Hey fascist! Catch!" with an up arrow, a right arrow and three down arrows. I'm not sure who you think you're fooling, maybe just yourself.

What the hell? He was ratted out by his own father. You can't trust anybody....

>>9999 Ok what about the towelie ban?

>>10151 Unibomber Ted Kaczynski got away with his stuff for years until his brother ratted him out. And he only knew because he recognized his brother's writing style and called the Feds.

So how come everybody was parroting that it's some tranny shooter?

>>10146 >>even right wing wackos trying to dome right wing politicians too. >How many can you name? This will be interesting. Stephan Ernst comes to mind.

>>10146 >catch-all terms that encompass a vast array of very different and sometimes mutually hostile ideologies. If you understand that there's myriad ideologies in the "left" and "right" and each person has their own definition, then what's the point of trying to blame one side on the actions of a single person? You're as much insisting this distinction is important, and that this guy is a leftist because other people who insist on calling themselves leftists say so, and because he -allegedly- said things that you defined as leftist. Besides, there are differences between the beefs over whether stirner is a leftist or not or whether capitalism can be anarchist and there are the "leftists" who want to live under tighter control by an authoritarian regime that controls capital. This is "vegan who eats meat" type shit. But if you see a "vegan" gulping down BBQ ribs and take them at their word then there's nothing I'd have left to discuss with you. >No indications that they knew each other. You're the one making the claim that what the news says must be true. I'm the one making the claim that you should think a little by yourself and demand evidence instead of taking them at their word. If the guy didn't know Charlie Kirk at all, then why did he kill him? >was high-profile enough to make the effort worth it If he didn't know charlie, how did he know he was "high profile" enough? And if he knew charlie, how does he know he's high profile enough anyway? If none of those things you talk about are things leftists or even the shitheaded liberals who supposedly care mention. Utah is a deeply republican state, surely waiting for a political rally by a bigger target is and obvious choice, doesn't it? It would definitely be the more "leftist wacko" one. It's obvious he cared about Charlie specifically. And so, another reporter, which must be trustworthy? claims not only he knew him but he actively harbored hatred towards him, explicitly for right wing extremist reasons. >How many can you name? I literally mentioned the two most prolific contemporary examples already. I don't really care enough to go looking for more. >>10159 Because they want to believe, or make the average American believe, in order to make it legal to kill trannies in broad daylight. They literally do this shit with every public shooting that's happened in the US since covid. Even news outlets will post a column claiming such and then issue a correction, 3 weeks later, that no one will read. >>10123 Bunch of /pol/tard tier incels, too chickenshits to actually use imageboards, that insist they aren't homophobic or racist to appear smarter and more "civilized" than other neonazies while being actually just as homophobic and racist; like insisting that true "racial equality" can only be achieved through thigh segregation.

>>10162 I hope you do not intend for the screenshot you've included to be taken as a statement of the truth, because that would be an unforgivable act of bad faith

>>10162 >Because they want to believe, or make the average American believe Couldn't the same be said about your picrel?

>>10115 Thank you, Bernd. I now understand the joke. It's pretty funny actually. >>10116 You're laughing, but there's already people implying that it was a Russian psyop.

>>10182 So, did you read the Dugin article? Is it good?

>>10185 No, I returned from my nightshift, watched a couple episodes of Deep Space 9 with my bro and am now enjoying my WOCHENENDE SAUFEN alone while listening Blackmore's Night 1997 album. I will read it later though, because I'm interested in what Dugin has to say about it. He's genuinely a good philosopher, I think.

>>10162 >If you understand that there's myriad ideologies in the "left" and "right" and each person has their own definition, then what's the point of trying to blame one side on the actions of a single person? Because those ideologies are still linked by specific beliefs and assumptions, much like various Christian denominations disagree or even fight over various theological matters while united in their belief in God and Christ. This common ground allows them to band together for political reasons when needed--Spanish Civil War is but the most prominent example. The US Democratic Party is another, which is why both free-market championing neoliberals and democratic socialists are active in its ranks, despite obvious conflicts on economic questions. Why? Because they agree on other issues that qualify them both as "left-wing" in the US context. You know that well, which is why you've no problems assigning blame to "right-wing wackos" for assassinations. You only want to emphasize strict distinction in left-wing cases. How very convenient. >I literally mentioned the two most prolific contemporary examples already. I don't really care enough to go looking for more. You mentioned two guys "who tried to killed Trump", only one of whom (Ryan Routh) can be tied to Trump or any right-wing support at all because he said he liked Trump at one point in 2016. Let's evaluate this: >Routh said he made Donald Trump his "choice" in 2016, but by 2020, he voiced his dissatisfaction, stating, "I will be glad when you are gone." So we're supposed to take his stated 2016 preference as proof of his right wing motives in 2024 when he committed the attempt, while ignoring his statements from 2020 indicating an ideological shift to just assume he stuck to right-wing beliefs, absent other indications. Sounds like a very weak assumption, but lets roll with it. Oh wait: >Routh also supported Bernie Sanders in 2020, criticizing Joe Biden as "Sleepy Joe". In 2024, he expressed concern over democracy in a post tagging Biden, and telling him his campaign slogan should be "Keep America Democratic and Free". In 2020, he also supported Tulsi Gabbard, calling for an executive order on police misconduct and he made several small donations to the Democratic fundraising platform ActBlue, contributing 19 times in 2019 and 2020 with amounts ranging from $1 to $25, as recorded by the Federal Election Commission. By early 2024, he suggested a Nikki Haley and Vivek Ramaswamy ticket for the Republican primary. In 2024, he voted in the Democratic primary in Guilford County, North Carolina. Routh had additionally donated $140 to Democratic causes since 2019. Lmao. Nice "right-winger" you have there. You "don't care" because you don't have anything. >I'm the one making the claim that you should think a little by yourself and demand evidence Evidence that you'd immediately swerve to accusing of being a forgery, you mean? As you already alluded to here: >>10100 >They'll only show them after the police themselves are finished engraving them, No amount of evidence will satisfy you, because you'll just pull another reason out of your ass to explain why it doesn't count and why your baseless assumptions are right, under the guise of media skepticism and "just asking questions". >>10161 Okay, but he specifically mentioned "US" right-wing terrorism, which is what I asked for.

>>10163 >>10164 Yes, that's the point.

>>10196 > fight over various theological matters while united in their belief in God and Christ. OK, but you are saying that people who call themselves christians but don't believe in christ are still christians >the democratic party >democratic socialists are active in its ranks haha, funny joke, everybody laughs.

>>10196 >various Christian denominations disagree or even fight over various theological matters while united in their belief in God and Christ. This common ground allows them to band together My Japanese brother, have you ever even as much as glimpsed at the European history of the last 2000 years? People literally can't stop killing each other over this question. Look at Ireland. And even in more peaceful regions it's a problem until today. Try growing up reformed in a catholic village or the other way around. In cities, people stopped caring a few decades ago, but there's very little that unites different Christian denominations. The only time might be if they unite against someone believing in the same god but the wrong prophet (or no prophet at all). You literally couldn't be more wrong, Shinto-Buddha-Bernd.

>>10235 >OK, but you are saying that people who call themselves christians but don't believe in christ are still christians If he openly confessed as much, not really. But if there is good reason to believe that Christian teachings still drove his actions, then Christian beliefs can be reasonably blamed regardless. This basically never happens though. And no, a Christian committing acts that conflict with a particular precept of the Bible or one of Christ's teachings does not prove he doesn't believe in Christ. Nice try, though. >haha, funny joke, everybody laughs. Oh, there's a clown in this thread alright. He should work on his performance, though. While you're still here, can you explain the extreme dissonance between the whole "question the information and evidence you see about the shooter's motives" shtick you've been pulling for the last several posts and you immediately jumping to declare the shooter, and I quote: >clearly some kind of white supremacist type or some deeply political confused old man who voted for trump and regretted it. ... in your very first post ITT (>>9761), before anyone knew a single thing about who he even was? This, on the surface, seems to be the behavior of a thoroughly dishonest weasel, but I'm going to be charitable and believe there's another explanation for it. I'd love to hear it, and I'm sure other Bernds would too. Well? >>10239 You misread my post. >This common ground allows them to band together for political reasons when needed Referred to the left, not Christians. That is why it's followed by two hyphens, which is a lazy substitute for the proper em-dash: >This common ground allows them to band together for political reasons when needed--Spanish Civil War is but the most prominent example. It makes no sense to use the Spanish Civil War as an example of multi-denominational Christian unity, since the Christians on the Nationalist side were close to exclusively Catholic. It does make sense as an example of various left-wing ideological strains banding together under a common banner. Should make it clear what I meant. Also ignore my ball, I'm a Croat.

>>10243 >Referred to the left, not Christians. I haven't seen the left band together in a meaningful way in my lifetime either. >Fuck you, social democrat sellout <Democratic socialist piece of shit >Ugh, communists are the worst <Shut the fuck up, anarcho-syndicalist

>>10244 Internecine fighting is common, but in most cases they'll still unify against the right when the situation calls for it. A DSA member may insult a neoliberal democrat, but in 90% of cases they'll vote for one to stop a Republican candidate. In the most recent French election, Macronists voted for NFP candidates and vice versa in order to stop RN candidates from winning wherever they could. If these factions didn't share some important commonalities, these things wouldn't happen.

>>10245 I think you have a very good point, but you're slightly off. At least in France and Germany, and probably some other countries, many centrists-to-left-wing groups join forces against far right candidates. But I wouldn't say that they join forces for anything constructive, just to block things. And all the Bernie bros and "I won't vote for Kamala because of her stance on Israel" people show that it's not even universal.

>>10246 >And all the Bernie bros and "I won't vote for Kamala because of her stance on Israel" people show that it's not even universal. I agree. In a country of millions of people, especially hundreds of millions, there's bound to be all sorts of oddballs who don't neatly align with specific political factions, and whose ideological loyalties are quite loose. But both of these types of people are nevertheless ultimately a very small--if vocal--share of the US population. It's easy to forget because of her loss, but Kamala still got the 3rd most votes in US political history, behind only Trump in 2024 and Biden in 2020. Gaza might have cost her by causing certain embittered left-wingers to stay at home, but it's only because US presidential elections are tend to be decided by very small margins that this mattered at all. Her political coalition, for the most part, still came out to support her, and it had to include much of the "socialist" types given the significant share of Democratic voters who identify as such in polls. We'd have seen a total wipeout, otherwise. The Bernie Bros (IMO a much more heterodox bunch in 2016 than 2024) and other aloof left-wing voters that are sometimes willing to withhold their vote are the exception to the rule of what is mostly a very disciplined and loyal political coalition.

>>9709 >Are we approaching a new era of political violence in the west? I guess we will have some degree of civil war in many countries over the next years. Everything is broken, people have less and less to lose.

Axios (center-left US news organization) now reports that Tyler Robinson had a transgender roommate, who is believed to have been in a romantic relationship with him, providing a potential motive for the assassination. >Investigators believe Robinson's anger at Kirk's views could be a key to establishing a motive for the slaying of the controversial activist whose death sent shockwaves through American politics. >Each of the six sources familiar with the investigation told Axios that investigators believe Robinson had a romantic relationship with his roommate. >Axios' sources said investigators initially wanted the information about the roommate's gender identity kept quiet because that person is being "extremely cooperative" with authorities. >The phone messages indicated a sender listed as "Tyler" had mentioned that after the shooting, he had wrapped his rifle in a towel and stashed it in some bushes near Utah Valley University, where the shooting occurred, Gov. Spencer Cox said Friday during a news conference. https://www.axios.com/2025/09/13/kirk-suspect-transgender-roommate

>>10254 Interesting. Let's see how the narrative will change based on that. So much for "transgender people are dangerous" and "people raised liberal are dangerous" at least. Also, I wonder what he was thinking. That he's an ally by killing Kirk? He probably did more harm than good. Also, if he really had that rumored romantic relationship, he basically ended that, so he hurt his roommate with that, too. Kudos for his dad and the youth pastor for convincing him to turn himself in btw. This could have ended much worse, either by a shootout with the law or by suicide.

>>10257 His emotions could have easily warped his thinking into anything needed to justify what he wanted to do (murder Kirk over transgender issues), regardless of how much it made sense. And that's assuming he even felt the need to rationalize his killing into some master plan. He could have just wanted to "own the chuds" and make a name for himself among like-minded fellows. No reason to bet on sophistication; these types aren't known for it.

>>10265 Whatever xer handler convinced xer was an emotionally compelling reason for an unstable leftist to shoot someone.

Remember when this guy hunted down and killed 33 liberal kids on an island (69 people total) and then was celebrated unironically for years? Pepperidge Farm remembers

>>10254 >Axios (center-left US news organization) don't know about center-left, but Axios always has the best sources

I think Charlie Kirk's murder reconnected me to Christ in a more meaningful way. Something about this man's death moved me deeply, way more than I thought it would. It also just hit me that it's a very similar story to Jesus'.

>>10312 Jesus didn't preach hate and capitalism.

>>10315 Also, Jesus was killed by a government conspiracy, not by a single civilian. If you think about it, it's the opposite. Some more opposites: >Jesus knew he'd die and it took hours of suffering <Kirk didn't know it and might not even have noticed, he lost consciousness in a fraction of a second >Jesus returned on the third day <Kirk hasn't >People talk about Jesus 2000 years later <Trump already stopped caring (did you see the ballroom interview?) >After Jesus died, his followers started teaching peace and compassion by spreading Christianity throughout the world <Kirk's followers called for blood and civil war

I think we can all agree that both Christians and Americans should be put to the sword.

The only thing Charlie Kirk had in common with Jesus is that Christians get mad when you quote him to them.

>>10315 Exactly! I told you they're similar. >>10316 >not by a single civilian Maybe not Kirk either, it's being investigated. But that's not the point. Even if the murderer was one single fucked up guy, it didn't happen in a vacuum. The whole climate of hate motivated the guy enough to kill, to some degree. Many contributed to that, maybe me and you both. This is similar to realizing how Christ's blood is on [i]everyone's[i] hands. Imagine your own pettiness, your own greed and callousness played a part in killing horribly a fundamentally good man in front of his family. A man who wanted nothing but good things for you and everyone else. It's a punch in the gut.

>>10329 Are you insinuating that the state had him whacked? Jesus was killed because the Romans thought he was becoming too powerful, you knows, King of the Jews etc. That's a conspiracy theory I haven't heard before. >This is similar to realizing how Christ's blood is on [i]everyone's[i] hands. My hands are clean. I'm neither Jewish, nor a Roman politician of the first century CE.

>>10330 >Are you insinuating that the state had him whacked? No, it rather seems that more people knew, through the shooter's tranny lover.

>>10331 Did Pontius Pilate have a tranny lover? Was the shooter in this case the governor of the province?

I said my thoughts here

>>10332 Are you being silly on purpose?

>>9709 I was like "Who the fuck even" and blocked his name from my Twitter suggestions.

>>10319 Drep de Kristne.

Sad, he was stoking the flames of the culture war, picking on trannies and lefties too much but he was starting to redeem himself in the past couple of weeks and wake up. I think his life was cut short before his takes matured, and it was cut short apparently because of his immature takes.

Groypers and Fascists after a leftist assassinates a guy they were calling a Zionist faggot a month ago

>>10372 He was nooticing though.

>>10356 何を オランダわかりない

Charly Kirks murder was rightwing. Hahahahahahahahahaha

>>9709 >What do you think of the shooting of Charlie Kirk? Are we approaching a new era of political violence in the west? IDGAF >I'm feeling a mixture of sadness and anger. I wish for revenge, but I understand not all leftists are guilty, and it would only fuel the cycle of violence. Are you unironically retard? You have your own country and culture, why would you even care about sharts doing shart things?

>>9709 >Are we approaching a new era of political violence in the west? Yes, for numerous reasons I think we will see some degree of civil war in many western countries. Systems are beyond their brealing point.

>>9781 > I think that most politicians throughout all parties act in good faith. That helps not seeing your political rivals as enemies that have to be fought at all costs. I think this makes it worse since it shows how far perceptions of reality differ between different ideologic points of view.

I didn't care for him when he was alive so why should i care now? Kino death and big Passierung with 4kanal hunt was entertaining but we should not forget about the Epstein files.

>>10703 >we should not forget about the Epstein files. We're not going to see them and if they are being released, they have been with the FBI for so long that no one is going to believe a single thing. Everyone missing will be named "purged from the files" by their enemies and everyone included will be named "planted there" by their friends. It's too late. If they had been released immediately, it would have been fine, but now we'll never know.

After clinging desperately to the possibility that the suspect was a "groyper" — despite anyone with integrity being able to recognize it as an almost certain falsehood after the first couple of revelations came to light — the most prestigious of all "Newspapers of Record" makes a tortured acknowledgment (in the subheading, of course) that the suspect engraving a well-known leftist song, calling Kirk a fascist, and living with a transgender roommate wasn't reasonably likely to have been driven by far-right motives and instead committed the assassination because of Kirk's anti-transgender "hatred". At least that settles this story, even if the information well is already irreversibly poisoned: https://archive.is/tdYXJ

Wow... They are going to try and give him the death penalty. That's a bit harsh I would have thought.

>>10734 What did you expect? Its Murrica...

>>10703 if there really were something incriminating about Trump and his entourage in the Epstein files, Obama or Biden would have released them to the public in their own day

can the US balls explain why sometimes they don't allow cameras in court and we have to look at these weird drawings, while sometimes cameras are fine?

>>10718 >even if the information well is already irreversibly poisoned: In German, I'd say "die Geister, die ich rief". The left seems to learn from the right. Amusing to watch this. Not that I ever believed or pushed the groyper narrative. It was clear what they're doing for anyone who has 5 brain cells. Is this something non-German speakers understand? >Spirits that I've cited // My commands ignore.

>>10734 >Killing the political enemy is not okay. To make a point, we'll kill you. I never understood the death penalty.

>>10756 >I never understood the death penalty. an eye for an eye - what's there to understand?

>>10765 That should only be a valid point in Israel. All Christian countries have replaced that 2000 years ago (or whenever they became Christianised).

>>10771 >replaced that 2000 years ago seriously? they were still chopping heads off in France in the 1970s

>>10775 But not because of mosaic laws.

>>10756 Some crimes leave you in a state beyond redemption for the rest of your life

>>10776 oh, why did you have to make it about religion? I don't care about god or Bible or some religious law. I was just explaining the retribution motive as the most prominent reason for capital punishment.

In 1330 Werner von Orseln the Grand Master of the Teutonic order was assainated by a knight called Johan von Endorf but there was no death penalty for murder so even though he killed the Grand Master he was sentenced to life not death. But those were more enlightened times of course.

>>10799 It was because there were doubts it was actually him. Jail sentences were extremely rare before modernity, it was 99% either corporeal punishment or monetary fine.

>>10755 I don't think they've learned. Trump obviously has no qualms about lying and embellishing and does so often, but even prestigious liberal-left media outlets were trafficking in selective omission and emphasis, active vs passive language, different editorial standards, etc. before him. Definitely since 2014 when I started paying attention, but almost certainly earlier. Last week just represents a new abdication of standards for an even lesser one. It's doubtful pushing further in this direction is good for them even from a purely Machiavellian perspective. Short-term it probably helps, but there are definite costs to untethering yourself and the masses of people who look to you for information from reality. At least over on Bluesky, one man stands proudly against Blueanon in recognition of this.

>>10779 >why did you have to make it about religion You cited the Torah, don't blame me for that.