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Meat is meat, murder is murder. t. high IQ Bernd

It's not. That is the natural order. Animals eating other animals. Biologically, humans are animals too. Instead of dipharming people eating meat the more fructiferous way to align with nature would be to stop housing animals in precarian conditions.

>>3609 The difference is we are the animals with the highest consciousness, we are conscious enough to realize we don't have to kill animals for consumption. Other animals are natural in the sense they lack the consciousness to realize this and thus eat other animals.

>>3608 Well murder is defined as premeditated killing, so....

>>3612 I buy my meat at the supermarket. t. city Bernd

>>3613 In order to be sold as meat the animals are killed

>>3609 Have you ever heard about science? Or empathy? Remember; Science is 100% true and real, whether you beleieve in it or not. :-) Think about it: if eating meat was natural, then why did people live shorter hundreds of years ago, when there was no veganism?

>>3617 If it wasn't clear I'm making the point that, in case killing animals is bad, then eating the animals someone else killed is not as bad. Is being politically aligned with a mass murderer as bad as the mass murder itself? Obviously not.

>>3622 Through buying meat you support the murder, it’s not the same as being aligned with a mass murderer it’s like you buy him the knife he uses to murder people.

>>3623 >it’s not the same as being aligned with a mass murderer actually it is

>>3623 Mayhaps, but you see now that we are entering the murky waters of finding out the exact moral value of things and this is where logical discussion easily goes out of the window. Given that, I think we can agree that eating meat is not as bad as killing animals, and pretending otherwise is a rhetorical trick.

>>3628 >is not as bad as killing animals But how is that if it still leads to and is the result of the killing of animals?

>>3629 I'm killing no animals. Zero. If killing animals is bad, that's a butcherer's responsibility for engaging in animal killing. You may consider me complicit, which is fair to a degree, but it's not the same as the act of killing animals and I thought you already conceded that. Besides, animals aren't people and you should stop using loaded terms like "murder" to define the act of killing them for food.

>>3630 You pay people to kill animals for you. That puts the same moral responsibility on you as killing the animal yourself. Whether you can live with that responsibility is up to you, many people can. Hunters for example.

>>3631 Which is false, because if I stopped eating meat it would still show up on the shelves of the supermarket. My effort would be equivalent to a drop of piss in a bucket.

>>3632 The meat is only there because people buy it. The responsibility lies with the people who create the demand.

>>3604 No, killing animals has much less moral weight than the killing of human beings

>>3633 >>3632 The logic is the same as for ipv6 adoption or Starkbierwandel. If there are people who say "My decission doesn't change the world" it will never change.

No, yes, maybe? Who cares. Nothing wrong with consuming other bodies.

Meat is an´s important food that, evolutionarily speaking, out body needs. This is not an edorsement of modern factory farming and such, but rather me just stating a fact.

Don't care, had meat.

>>3665 >evolutionarily speaking, out body needs. How come our bodies work without meat then?

>>3674 They technically work without plants as well, so...

>>3675 Is that true? Is a purely meat-based diet sustainable?

I buy meats from rancher budys and local farmers markets where applicable. Also if I have to, I try to get the “grass fed range free what ever the fuck” meats at heb. While I agree the animals are still being killed, I do find them tasty and delicious. I think the better quality of life the animal has, the better it is to consume.

>>3604 I would say that meat requires killing, but vegetables require so, too. Carrots just don't squeal as much much.

i'm against everything This Charming Man stands behind

Is that D.Wight Eisenhower?

>>3680 This. Plants are livings too, just because we can't relate to them as much as to animals doesn't mean they don't feel pain. In the end always something has to die to nourish you.

>>3688 If you eat an animal, the animal needs to eat a factor 20 times as many calories as it gives you. You can save the animal and 95% of the plants by just eating the plants. Similar things are true for land use and water, but for energy I happen to remember number. It was either 95% or 96% which is lost.

>>3691 Yeah, and those factor 20 times calories are usually cellulose and other shit that we humans can't digest. Farm animals produce manure which is essential for organic agriculture. Think the circle of life, but with shit. Factory farms are obviously bad, because they produce too much shit, but a permaculture that is meant to be sustainable AND able to provide enough food for more than a handful people needs farm animals.

>>3691 >you can save the animal and 95% of the plants by eating the plants >pic related I don’t eat grass, or the bugs that eat my plants. Cows, and goats eat grass, which I put no effort into growing. Chickens eat bugs that are detrimental to my plants growth. Cows, unlike goats, will not eat tobacco though. Speaking of chickens, what’s your opinion on eating animal by-products, such as eggs or honey?

>>3677 For some people it is, for some it isn't. Same as with vegetrianism/veganism. That's the point here.

>>3604 >>3621 >Have you ever heard about science? >Or empathy? Female thread on a female site. >Do you agree that meat is murder? No. t. not a female >>3611 >we are conscious enough to realize we don't have to kill animals for consumption You could equally say we are conscious enough to know animals can't do anything if we eat them. This is a vacuous statement. >>3612 It's actually defined as killing another person in relation to law. But sure, lie about it and try to redefine words to fit your narrative. >>3622 Therefore, paying a for someone to have sex with a child is less bad than having sex with them yourself? >>3678 What if killing them a certain horrible and slow way made certain animals really tasty. Would you be okay with it? >>3688 The fact that you think plants "feel pain" but don't value trivial AI programs that get deleted and "feel" more under your dumbass definition, is retarded.

>>3697 Here’s your obligatory (((you))). Nice straw man fam.

>>3702 That's not a response. What's the straw man?

I guess technically you’re not refuting my argument. You are ignoring it entirely and shifting the goal posts. I apologize for falsely accusing you of straw manning me. You’re still a cunt. :3

>>3705 >You are ignoring it entirely and shifting the goal posts No. If you are >>3678 All I did was ask you a question. You're not beating the female allegations by reacting like this to a simple question.

By ignoring my question and presenting another one, you are not recognizing or acknowledging the distinction of the original discussion. It’s a half straw man, to which I already answered. >accuses me of woman logic >argues like a woman >inb4 vaginal

>>3707 You didn't ask a question and are continuing to act like a woman.

>>3696 I'm not asking if it's sustainable "for some people", I'm asking about biological necessity. Die-hard carnivores like the liver king could become vegetarian and live healthily for the rest of their lives. Even the most convinced vegans need supplements, but apart from vitamin B12, they're fine. Would you need to supplement anything if you only ate meat? Wouldn't you get scurvy and other problems? >>3709 What the fuck are you even doing on this board? Seems like you would fit in better with the people on 4kanal or Kohl.

>>3694 > Cows, and goats eat grass, which I put no effort into growing. Most animals we eat don't graze on some otherwise unusable grasslands. They eat corn and soy which is planted on fields. Animal fodder makes up more than half of the area used in agriculture.

>>3709 >didn’t ask a question >Speaking of chickens, what’s your opinion on eating animal by-products, such as eggs or honey? So my question isn’t a question? Take some more English reading lesson you monumental faggot.

>>3762 I never responded to >>3694 nor is it responding to me. I'm not >>3691 Different country lol. He responds to you here >>3742 >Take some more English reading lesson The American Mutt irony considering your abysmal English comprehension during this short exchange. >>3714 >what are you doing here Another non-response. Great "discussion" guys.

>>3780 >what is circular logic

>>3781 More bad comprehension. It must fun living in your own reality. You're retarded.

>>3742 Your, I’m assuming, speaking mostly of large scale factory farming.

>>3795 Believe it or not, factory farming is more space efficient. I'm speaking of averages.

>>3612 >premeditated killing of humans