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>>13773 >the final Linux DE They always say it's the final solution and nobody ever needs to use another one.

Ditched Linux for windows 10 ltsc iOt and never looked back

>>13773 Cosmic So, Windows 11 for Linux. Great.

>Rust based NOPE

Bernd has no clue why there's so much hype about Cosmic. Eapecially because the people who hype it are usually pretty open about all the current issues, and they often sound pretty bad.

> multiple desktops > Tiling > Open apps from bar I have that with sway and dmenu, before that I had it with i3 and before that I had it with xmonad, but xmonad was impossible to compile on raspberry in the early 2010s, that's why I switched to i3. I have no idea what a DE is even good for.

Whenever I see someone get overly excited about R*st, Wayland, Linux, or other petty nerd shit, I can't think of anything other than the soyjak meme.

KDE is better

>>13805 I have that to a degree with gnome. The only tiling I ever use is a split left and right.

It's just GNOME written in a gayer language though, it's it?

Switched to i3 couple of years ago. Was pretty hard to learn but now I can't live without it and never looked back

>>13887 dwm > i3

>>13888 Bernd has no experience with dwm. For Bernd it is important, that the entire WM can be controlled via keyboard though.

>>13887 Same. Tried various others but i3 is simple, super lightweight, easy to configure and has lots of options. >>13888 Why? Aside from it being suckless. i3 isn't bloat either.

>>13884 Rust is a fine language in this Bernst's opinion, but the amount of trannies in Rust is too damn high.

>>14033 If you think that, you shouldn't use Rust. We didn't want your kind to use our language. The Rust community is an inclusive community.

>>14034 You will never sniff me out. I keep my opinion about the Rust trannies private (not to myself, but close friends at most) so they hurt neither the trannies nor myself.

>>14033 Rust's borrow checker lacks a clear theoretical foundation. It's basically a naive algorithm that brute-forces its way through your code, tracking lifetimes and ownership with opaque, ad-hoc rules slapped together over time. This doesn’t just lead to Rust’s infamous compile time, it’s also why we’re unlikely to see another fully independent Rust compiler anytime soon. Hell, even projects like mrustc gave up on implementing borrow checking and just defer to the official compiler, because they found out the hard way how messy it really is. Want to see how resource management should be done? Look at Idris 2, which uses quantitative type theory to handle ownership in a clean, principled way. And for everything else about Rust, just watch vid related from the Handsome Hero guy.

I just switched from hyprland to Niri and I think I will stay on Niri.

>>14062 Oh, look, a theorist. What an ugly little bugger.

>>13805 I have that on MacOS

Nothing can beat MATE <3

This is basically the windows 10 desktop with more opinionated tiling and an app launcher? That said, I don't hate it.

If I am bothering with Linux anyways, why should I use anything besides KDE?

>>14439 Because KDE is a buggy piece of shit

>>14440 t. Gnome user with broken thumbnail previews

>>14441 Hasn't been a problem for a while now. t. Gnome user with working thumbnail previews

>>14441 >>14443 https://debugpointnews.com/gtk-file-chooser-thumbnail/

>>14444 Peak Linarx

>>14450 Windows doesn't have shit like that, Win10 is peak comfy

>>14444 Learn the difference between Feature reqiesr and bug, you miscarriage. Or better kys

>>14444 Fucking subhuman, you don't have to use it if you don't like it. Miscarriage.

>>14385 > Windows 10 invented tiling!

Mogged by XUE

>>14480 Your brain on gnome

>>14490 Bernd uses XFCE too. It is easy to use and ressource saving but simple and therefore efficient.

>>14062 That guy is full of shit. Rust is quite obviously not about just syntax, and its metaprogramming ability is far ahead of C++.

I simply can't get into Rust, like many others. The syntax is overly complex and confusing. Dependency/package handling is a neverending mess of ever-floating change. I fear for a huge maintainability problem when the Rust hype is over in a couple of years and the Rust zealots get a life and no longer have time to re-write everything all day.

>>14530 He has a point. Rust's metaprogramming doesn't offer significant advantages over C++ templates, and the borrow checker just introduces semantic overhead that complicates data-oriented design patterns unless you're frequently dropping into unsafe. Even Zig, with its limited comptime, offers a cleaner and more flexible metaprogramming model than Rust's macro system. That said, I don’t think Rust is an entirely useless language. It’s essentially a better-performing Java or Go. You trade the garbage collector for predictable runtime performance (at the cost of development speed, since you now have to wrestle with the borrow checker), which makes it suitable for async, network-facing daemons where latency and memory determinism matter. However, saying that Rust replaces C++ in game development just because it helps prevent memory bugs is just wishful thinking.

>>14370 Based

I spend most of my time at my computer (currently running Nobara) and I never ever felt the need to do anything to the way my desktop works. I need a taskbar, drag and resize windows and I need to alt tab. This shit has been solved since the 80s. Even after switching to Linux I just used everything out of the box since basically every distro with a GUI has these features. Hitting the super/windows key and then typing the name of the program you wanna use is also a very old concept and I've been using that since forever.

>>14699 Lol, are you me? t. other Nobara user with similar opinions on this matter

>>14699 >>15007 >Nobara What's the benefit over regular Fedora? Is gaymen so much better under Nobara?

>>15012 It works out of the box. You don't have to know or do much.

>>15015 What about non-Steam games?

>>15007 cool! >>15012 I never tried regular Fedora so I can't tell you. I used Ubuntu back in like 2017 or so on a shitty old laptop to dip my toes into linux but still had windows on my main PC. Barely used that laptop, just for tinkering and trying stuff out. Then at the end of 2024 I switched over fromW indows to Mint and was very satisfied. MonHun Wilds didn't run on it so I just hopped distro in May 2025. Still didn't work on Nobara but I'm not switching back now. Mint probably would've been fine for everything I do, I just ended up here on Nobara and it just works with 99% of games I play, including Switch emulator. I think the biggest thing holding me back is my NVIDIA 3070 because I heard that NVIDIA drivers for Linux are shit compared to Linux so next year or so I will upgrade my GPU and get an AMD card.

May I interject for a second and note how abso-fucken-totally obnoxious NixOS users are. It's like Arch but unironically and also orders of magnitude worse.

>>15025 P.S.: The nobara discord has been very helpful so far whenever I had issues but one thing I wonder about those people and also those on Proton.db (linux compability checking site) is how people figure out what to put into the launch options for steam games when they're acting up. I have 0 knowledge about it and it feels like appeasing some chaotic Diety with random launch prefixes. Are they all very smart people who know much about graphics software or is it something you can learn in an afternoon? Either way, if you decide to game on linux, try to install Proton-GE. Nobara comes with ProtonPlus which makes managing GE-versions very easy but you can probably install it on other distros just fine. But most of the time when something isn't working, using the latest GE-version fixes things.

Nobara vs. Bazzite Which one's "better". Why should I use one over the other?

Gnome is great no need to change it

>>15016 Can't tell you, only use steam and flatpacks (or whatever they're called).

>>15025 >I heard that NVIDIA drivers for Linux are shit Bernd switched completely to AMD for that reason. Top of the line AMD stuff is way cheaper than nvidia, couldn't have bought their most expensive GPU for the price of the whole PC.

Should i put linux on my nvidia gpu machine?

>>15054 I used mint on a pc with a 2080ti, worked alright.

Didn't nvidia repeatedly say that they have no interest in developing drivers for linux, or something like that?

>>15081 Yes and they took their time to let others develop those too linus torvalds was pissed about that

>>14034 Programming languages shouldn't have or need communities, and if they absolutely do somehow everything personal should be kept out of it. If you expect me to not say "Rust has too many trannies in it" the problem is that those people ever made me know they're trannies. I certainly didn't go looking for that information. Programming is about machines, logic, exactness and purity. The absolute opposite people stand for.

>>15081 That was many years ago.

>>15026 This. >>15086 Programming languages always have communities, because people who use them communicate with each other. They work together on projects, teach each other, develop the language, visit conferences, they use each others libraries. So if you write on Rust, you'll have to interact with mentally unstable fanatical activists (i.e. rust trannies), hopefully indirectly. That's what concerns me about this language.