/int/ - International

>>10245 I think you have a very good point, but you're slightly off. At least in France and Germany, and probably some other countries, many centrists-to-left-wing groups join forces against far right candidates. But I wouldn't say that they join forces for anything constructive, just to block things. And all the Bernie bros and "I won't vote for Kamala because of her stance on Israel" people show that it's not even universal.

>>10246 >And all the Bernie bros and "I won't vote for Kamala because of her stance on Israel" people show that it's not even universal. I agree. In a country of millions of people, especially hundreds of millions, there's bound to be all sorts of oddballs who don't neatly align with specific political factions, and whose ideological loyalties are quite loose. But both of these types of people are nevertheless ultimately a very small--if vocal--share of the US population. It's easy to forget because of her loss, but Kamala still got the 3rd most votes in US political history, behind only Trump in 2024 and Biden in 2020. Gaza might have cost her by causing certain embittered left-wingers to stay at home, but it's only because US presidential elections are tend to be decided by very small margins that this mattered at all. Her political coalition, for the most part, still came out to support her, and it had to include much of the "socialist" types given the significant share of Democratic voters who identify as such in polls. We'd have seen a total wipeout, otherwise. The Bernie Bros (IMO a much more heterodox bunch in 2016 than 2024) and other aloof left-wing voters that are sometimes willing to withhold their vote are the exception to the rule of what is mostly a very disciplined and loyal political coalition.

>>9709 >Are we approaching a new era of political violence in the west? I guess we will have some degree of civil war in many countries over the next years. Everything is broken, people have less and less to lose.

Axios (center-left US news organization) now reports that Tyler Robinson had a transgender roommate, who is believed to have been in a romantic relationship with him, providing a potential motive for the assassination. >Investigators believe Robinson's anger at Kirk's views could be a key to establishing a motive for the slaying of the controversial activist whose death sent shockwaves through American politics. >Each of the six sources familiar with the investigation told Axios that investigators believe Robinson had a romantic relationship with his roommate. >Axios' sources said investigators initially wanted the information about the roommate's gender identity kept quiet because that person is being "extremely cooperative" with authorities. >The phone messages indicated a sender listed as "Tyler" had mentioned that after the shooting, he had wrapped his rifle in a towel and stashed it in some bushes near Utah Valley University, where the shooting occurred, Gov. Spencer Cox said Friday during a news conference. https://www.axios.com/2025/09/13/kirk-suspect-transgender-roommate

>>10254 Interesting. Let's see how the narrative will change based on that. So much for "transgender people are dangerous" and "people raised liberal are dangerous" at least. Also, I wonder what he was thinking. That he's an ally by killing Kirk? He probably did more harm than good. Also, if he really had that rumored romantic relationship, he basically ended that, so he hurt his roommate with that, too. Kudos for his dad and the youth pastor for convincing him to turn himself in btw. This could have ended much worse, either by a shootout with the law or by suicide.

>>10257 His emotions could have easily warped his thinking into anything needed to justify what he wanted to do (murder Kirk over transgender issues), regardless of how much it made sense. And that's assuming he even felt the need to rationalize his killing into some master plan. He could have just wanted to "own the chuds" and make a name for himself among like-minded fellows. No reason to bet on sophistication; these types aren't known for it.

>>10265 Whatever xer handler convinced xer was an emotionally compelling reason for an unstable leftist to shoot someone.

Remember when this guy hunted down and killed 33 liberal kids on an island (69 people total) and then was celebrated unironically for years? Pepperidge Farm remembers

>>10254 >Axios (center-left US news organization) don't know about center-left, but Axios always has the best sources

I think Charlie Kirk's murder reconnected me to Christ in a more meaningful way. Something about this man's death moved me deeply, way more than I thought it would. It also just hit me that it's a very similar story to Jesus'.

>>10312 Jesus didn't preach hate and capitalism.

>>10315 Also, Jesus was killed by a government conspiracy, not by a single civilian. If you think about it, it's the opposite. Some more opposites: >Jesus knew he'd die and it took hours of suffering <Kirk didn't know it and might not even have noticed, he lost consciousness in a fraction of a second >Jesus returned on the third day <Kirk hasn't >People talk about Jesus 2000 years later <Trump already stopped caring (did you see the ballroom interview?) >After Jesus died, his followers started teaching peace and compassion by spreading Christianity throughout the world <Kirk's followers called for blood and civil war

I think we can all agree that both Christians and Americans should be put to the sword.

The only thing Charlie Kirk had in common with Jesus is that Christians get mad when you quote him to them.

>>10315 Exactly! I told you they're similar. >>10316 >not by a single civilian Maybe not Kirk either, it's being investigated. But that's not the point. Even if the murderer was one single fucked up guy, it didn't happen in a vacuum. The whole climate of hate motivated the guy enough to kill, to some degree. Many contributed to that, maybe me and you both. This is similar to realizing how Christ's blood is on [i]everyone's[i] hands. Imagine your own pettiness, your own greed and callousness played a part in killing horribly a fundamentally good man in front of his family. A man who wanted nothing but good things for you and everyone else. It's a punch in the gut.

>>10329 Are you insinuating that the state had him whacked? Jesus was killed because the Romans thought he was becoming too powerful, you knows, King of the Jews etc. That's a conspiracy theory I haven't heard before. >This is similar to realizing how Christ's blood is on [i]everyone's[i] hands. My hands are clean. I'm neither Jewish, nor a Roman politician of the first century CE.

>>10330 >Are you insinuating that the state had him whacked? No, it rather seems that more people knew, through the shooter's tranny lover.

>>10331 Did Pontius Pilate have a tranny lover? Was the shooter in this case the governor of the province?

I said my thoughts here

>>10332 Are you being silly on purpose?

>>9709 I was like "Who the fuck even" and blocked his name from my Twitter suggestions.

>>10319 Drep de Kristne.

Sad, he was stoking the flames of the culture war, picking on trannies and lefties too much but he was starting to redeem himself in the past couple of weeks and wake up. I think his life was cut short before his takes matured, and it was cut short apparently because of his immature takes.

Groypers and Fascists after a leftist assassinates a guy they were calling a Zionist faggot a month ago

>>10372 He was nooticing though.

>>10356 何を オランダわかりない

Charly Kirks murder was rightwing. Hahahahahahahahahaha

>>9709 >What do you think of the shooting of Charlie Kirk? Are we approaching a new era of political violence in the west? IDGAF >I'm feeling a mixture of sadness and anger. I wish for revenge, but I understand not all leftists are guilty, and it would only fuel the cycle of violence. Are you unironically retard? You have your own country and culture, why would you even care about sharts doing shart things?

>>9709 >Are we approaching a new era of political violence in the west? Yes, for numerous reasons I think we will see some degree of civil war in many western countries. Systems are beyond their brealing point.

>>9781 > I think that most politicians throughout all parties act in good faith. That helps not seeing your political rivals as enemies that have to be fought at all costs. I think this makes it worse since it shows how far perceptions of reality differ between different ideologic points of view.

I didn't care for him when he was alive so why should i care now? Kino death and big Passierung with 4kanal hunt was entertaining but we should not forget about the Epstein files.

>>10703 >we should not forget about the Epstein files. We're not going to see them and if they are being released, they have been with the FBI for so long that no one is going to believe a single thing. Everyone missing will be named "purged from the files" by their enemies and everyone included will be named "planted there" by their friends. It's too late. If they had been released immediately, it would have been fine, but now we'll never know.

After clinging desperately to the possibility that the suspect was a "groyper" — despite anyone with integrity being able to recognize it as an almost certain falsehood after the first couple of revelations came to light — the most prestigious of all "Newspapers of Record" makes a tortured acknowledgment (in the subheading, of course) that the suspect engraving a well-known leftist song, calling Kirk a fascist, and living with a transgender roommate wasn't reasonably likely to have been driven by far-right motives and instead committed the assassination because of Kirk's anti-transgender "hatred". At least that settles this story, even if the information well is already irreversibly poisoned: https://archive.is/tdYXJ

Wow... They are going to try and give him the death penalty. That's a bit harsh I would have thought.

>>10734 What did you expect? Its Murrica...

>>10703 if there really were something incriminating about Trump and his entourage in the Epstein files, Obama or Biden would have released them to the public in their own day

can the US balls explain why sometimes they don't allow cameras in court and we have to look at these weird drawings, while sometimes cameras are fine?

>>10718 >even if the information well is already irreversibly poisoned: In German, I'd say "die Geister, die ich rief". The left seems to learn from the right. Amusing to watch this. Not that I ever believed or pushed the groyper narrative. It was clear what they're doing for anyone who has 5 brain cells. Is this something non-German speakers understand? >Spirits that I've cited // My commands ignore.

>>10734 >Killing the political enemy is not okay. To make a point, we'll kill you. I never understood the death penalty.

>>10756 >I never understood the death penalty. an eye for an eye - what's there to understand?

>>10765 That should only be a valid point in Israel. All Christian countries have replaced that 2000 years ago (or whenever they became Christianised).

>>10771 >replaced that 2000 years ago seriously? they were still chopping heads off in France in the 1970s

>>10775 But not because of mosaic laws.

>>10756 Some crimes leave you in a state beyond redemption for the rest of your life

>>10776 oh, why did you have to make it about religion? I don't care about god or Bible or some religious law. I was just explaining the retribution motive as the most prominent reason for capital punishment.

In 1330 Werner von Orseln the Grand Master of the Teutonic order was assainated by a knight called Johan von Endorf but there was no death penalty for murder so even though he killed the Grand Master he was sentenced to life not death. But those were more enlightened times of course.

>>10799 It was because there were doubts it was actually him. Jail sentences were extremely rare before modernity, it was 99% either corporeal punishment or monetary fine.

>>10755 I don't think they've learned. Trump obviously has no qualms about lying and embellishing and does so often, but even prestigious liberal-left media outlets were trafficking in selective omission and emphasis, active vs passive language, different editorial standards, etc. before him. Definitely since 2014 when I started paying attention, but almost certainly earlier. Last week just represents a new abdication of standards for an even lesser one. It's doubtful pushing further in this direction is good for them even from a purely Machiavellian perspective. Short-term it probably helps, but there are definite costs to untethering yourself and the masses of people who look to you for information from reality. At least over on Bluesky, one man stands proudly against Blueanon in recognition of this.

>>10779 >why did you have to make it about religion You cited the Torah, don't blame me for that.